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Our first contact off the diving board is with verse 9:
For the hour is nigh and the day soon at hand when the earth is ripe; and all the proud and they that do wickedly shall be as stubble; and I will burn them up, saith the Lord of Hosts, that wickedness shall not be upon the earth;
And let's also take a quick peek at the section header:
This revelation was given some days prior to the conference, beginning September 26, 1830.
Yes, We're Doing This Again
The horse has been beaten into its separate atoms at this point, but this section is one of the worst offenders for which-person-is-speaking-osis we've seen in quite some time.
Points at which Jesus is obviously talking:
- Jesus introduces himself (verse 1)
- I am the advocate with the Father (verse 5)
- a decree went forth from the Father (verse 8)
- the Lord of Hosts says he will burn the wicked (verse 9)
- God says my original twelve apostles will stand at my right hand (verse 12)
- my blood will not cleanse those who hear me not (verse 17)
- I will be ashamed of the wicked before my father (verse 27)
- I the Lord God will send flies (verse 18)
- Michael, mine archangel (verse 26)
- Adam rebelled against me (verse 36)
- I, the Lord God, did a bunch of stuff (verses 41-43)
- children are redeemed through mine Only Begotten (verse 46)
Orrrrr—I'll say it again—was the original form of the unchanging gospel of Mormonism more Trinitarian in its approach that it pretends to be?
God (or whoever's talking) makes a claim in verse 35 that is difficult to defend:
Behold, I gave unto him that he should be an agent unto himself; and I gave unto him commandment, but no temporal commandment gave I unto him, for my commandments are spiritual; they are not natural nor temporal, neither carnal nor sensual.
And it must needs be that the devil should tempt the children of men, or they could not be agents unto themselves; for if they never should have bitter they could not know the sweetWherefore, they cannot sin, for power is not given unto Satan to tempt little children, until they begin to become accountable before me;
So this immediately makes me think of 2 Nephi chapter 2, so I want to bring in a couple of relevant verses from there to demonstrate how this doctrinal point is a complete mess. I'm going to pull in a few relevant excerpts from 2 Nephi.
5 And men are instructed sufficiently that they know good from evil. And the law is given unto men. And by the law no flesh is justified; or, by the law men are cut off. Yea, by the temporal law they were cut off; and also, by the spiritual law they perish from that which is good, and become miserable forever.
11 For it must needs be, that there is an opposition in all things.
There's opposition in all things, apparently, except childhood, where we exist in a state of stagnant morality, unable to be tempted, unable to sin, and utterly without influences trying to attract us toward the moral poles.
16 Wherefore, the Lord God gave unto man that he should act for himself. Wherefore, man could not act for himself save it should be that he was enticed by the one or the other.
So children are not able to act for themselves because they can't be tempted to do evil or influenced to do good? I feel like any parent would be confused by that statement. Are they not trying to teach their children to do the right things? Don't many children obey their parents and behave well even before the age of 8? Don't many children ignore their parents and get up to mischief even before the age of 8? Of course children are agents unto themselves. Just because they may not be accountable for their choices doesn't mean they're not still making those choices.
How are we supposed to explain a 7-year-old lying to his parents if that 7-year-old doesn't have the influence of Satan in his life to entice him into that immoral act?
23 And they would have had no children; wherefore they would have remained in a state of innocence, having no joy, for they knew no misery; doing no good, for they knew no sin.