tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4172451149432147710.post1748625173931169618..comments2023-05-10T10:41:32.689-04:00Comments on Against the Greater Light: 3 Nephi 18: Compare and ContrastAlexhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14724409661360473452noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4172451149432147710.post-29607579015626266132016-08-28T13:15:45.037-04:002016-08-28T13:15:45.037-04:00That's something I never thought of. Not that...That's something I never thought of. Not that BEING abused by someone else should make you unworthy of a temple recommend, but if the bishop has to explain to you what masturbation is or what the law of chastity means, he should probably cover what it's not okay for other people to do to you.<br /><br />I don't think I can recall rape ever being mentioned during lessons about the law of chastity. I guess most people don't need to be told that rape is wrong (or at least not socially acceptable), but it should definitely be a bigger issue in comparison to jerking off or good old-fashioned, mutually consensual premarital sex.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14724409661360473452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4172451149432147710.post-55185533927133283882016-08-28T09:05:39.330-04:002016-08-28T09:05:39.330-04:00You're so right. To Mormons, masturbation is c...You're so right. To Mormons, masturbation is closely tied to the sin next to murder. The sad thing is bishops will ask about "self abuse" in one on one interviews, but they won't ask you if you've sexually abused others or if you've been abused. Now that's the sin next to murder!NearKolobitenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4172451149432147710.post-76333495140938692132016-08-22T22:11:11.803-04:002016-08-22T22:11:11.803-04:00So much control and self-loathing and fearmongerin...So much control and self-loathing and fearmongering. Even if I believed in "sin" anymore, I wouldn't be able to justify how high masturbation ranks in the list of Mormon no-nos. It's a victimless crime. If it must be considered self-abuse, then the only victim is still the perpetrator. Stealing someone else's car should be WAY worse than that, because you've actually negatively affected the life of another human being.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14724409661360473452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4172451149432147710.post-4229978839472689042016-08-21T10:30:47.091-04:002016-08-21T10:30:47.091-04:00I agree with you on verse 29. If that verse were t...I agree with you on verse 29. If that verse were true and not just one more way of Joseph Smith trying to control his followers, then ALL members who take the sacrament would be damned. How do we define worthy? Mormons are taught that the very reason to take the sacrament is to get atonement for sins, in other words, you did wrong and are unworthy to be in the presence of God. The sacrament is the way for sinners and those who are unworthy to move form unworthiness to being worthy. There's no need to take it if you're perfect and worthy. Now you could argue you had no intention of stopping, but I would bet at first you did but soon found out the impossibility. There was no way you were you going to be able NOT take the sacrament with all the family watching you wondering why you didn't. This is a way to shame, guilt, and control people. They take something normal, healthy, and instinctual, like masturbation, and call it a sin knowing very well virtually everybody will struggle with it. Then when they do, they call them sinners. An interesting thing to note, a guy I know that is a bishop in his ward told me it's the girls who are struggling with porn and masturbation. I actually bet the boys do too, but they have one more sin, lying.NearKolobitenoreply@blogger.com